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Errors in the summary of the featured article

Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Errors in "Did you know ..."

Current DYK

• ... that the ancient Greek game polis is one of the world's oldest strategy games?

@Piotrus, Generalissima, AirshipJungleman29, and TheSandDoctor: the Royal Game of Ur is 2,000 years older. One of the oldest is only true because so few survive, not because it was chronologicallmy close to the origin of these games. Fram (talk) 14:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Fram: would "...one of the world's oldest surviving strategy games" work better? TheSandDoctor ^Talk 14:15, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I went with "oldest known", which matches what's stated in the article. I'm not saying this solves the issues, but it's at least an incremental improvement. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Fram, the source makes it clear that race games, such as the Game of Ur, are not wholly strategy games, instead falling into the category of "race games", which combine luck and strategy. By contrast, games such as polis were entirely strategy driven. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The article on Ur calls it a strategy game, and our article on strategy games also includes things like Warhammer, which are also partially decided by dice, or Contract bridge, which starts with dealing cards randomly. The entirely strategy driven section (things like chess and checkers) seems to be a very small part of the much larger group of strategy games as usually (and by us) described, and the correctness of a hook shouldn't depend on the definition given in one source but contradicted by others (and e.g. our articles). Fram (talk) 14:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The source cited at Royal Game of Ur classifies games into categories like "racing" and "strategy", and classifies the Royal Game of Ur as a "racing" game (Botermans 2008, p. 713). "strategy" could be made more specific as "pure strategy", but the hook doesn't appear incorrect. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 15:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Next DYK

• ... that dance teacher Mary Ann Wells, despite being in the "I AM" movement, did not enforce rigid technical standards on her students?

@Xoak, SL93, and AirshipJungleman29: I have read the I AM article, and the bolded article, but I don't see this juxtaposition as being meaningful. "Despite her association with the I AM Temple, which held to strict vegetarian practices, Wells focused on cultivating her students' passion for dance rather than enforcing rigid technical standards." What has a religion or vegetarianism to do with rigid technical dance standards? Fram (talk) 09:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The source says "Despite her mysticism, further reinforced by membership in the I AM temple, whose tenets included strict vegetarianism, Wells’s teaching was not in any way cultish. She was an inspirer rather than a stickler for technical finesse. Most important, she instilled in her students a deep love for dance in all its forms." The hook (and the article) have shortened this in a way that makes the "despite" misleading. —Kusma (talk) 09:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I did not promote this hook, so I cannot speak for its merits. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: I don't follow your comment here... you've said "I did not promote this hook" with a link that appears to show that you did indeed promote it?!  — Amakuru (talk) 12:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Amakuru, I promoted the hook " ... that Mary Ann Wells, considered the most influential ballet teacher of the Pacific Northwest, mentored numerous talented dancers, including Gerald Arpino, who went on to co-found the Joffrey Ballet?", as can be seen from the diff I provided, not the hook that is currently in the queue. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Ah, apologies, I didn't read carefully enough. It seems that Theleekycauldron swapped the hook for another one at the admin checks phase, following discussion at WT:DYK. I'd suggest we pull this one and reopen the nom page as it appears the current hook is WP:SYNTH.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Amakuru For the original promoted hook, the theleekycauldron raised an issue about if the source could be used for the word "influential" in any form. I suggest going with the original hook and cutting that part out to say "... that Mary Ann Wells mentored numerous talented dancers, including Gerald Arpino, who went on to co-found the Joffrey Ballet?" SL93 (talk) 13:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree that the hook is better without "influential", but Arpino's co-founding of the Joffrey Ballet is not mentioned in the article or supported by the source. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I could have sworn I saw it, but now I see that it was said in Arpino's article. I'm going to add it to the article with a source now. SL93 (talk) 13:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Firefangledfeathers Now done. SL93 (talk) 13:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Unrelated, but I was wondering why the next DYK set only has 6 hooks. SL93 (talk) 13:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

three had to be pulled on sourcing issues; i was experimenting with not replacing them, seeing if that leads to better results on accuracy. unfortunately, didn't push hard enough on this hook... theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 15:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure if we should have an experiment like that without prior discussion. I see that I'm the only one who has brought it up so far, so maybe I'm in the wrong. SL93 (talk) 15:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

i had the same issue, but thought i was being too picky/out of step :) for what it's worth, i don't think the proposed replacement is very interesting, not that the current hook makes much sense. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 15:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

It does have an interestingness problem. From a non-knowledgeable reader's perspective: "Dance teacher taught a dance student who went on to found a dance company." Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I suggest to reopen it for a better hook. I feel like there has to be something, even if it isn't currently in the article. SL93 (talk) 15:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Errors in "On this day"

Today's OTD

Dragon Boat Festival is celebrated by China and Taiwan, at least according to

 Done – Schwede66 09:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I guess Hong Kong] is now just regarded as part of China? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I think so? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:40, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I guess some residents might still challenge that. That article says "The event is originated from the Lingnan region of China, where people believed the water that passed through the oars of dragon boats was auspicious. But the modern version of the races actually began in Hong Kong some 40 years ago." Martinevans123 (talk) 14:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

While I acknowledge the Hong Kong independence movement, beleaguered as it is, and the special significance of the festival to Hong Kong, I don't think a change to OTD is warranted at this time. I wouldn't strenuously object if another admin feels otherwise. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Errors in the summary of the featured list

Friday's FL

(June 14)

Monday's FL

(June 10, today)

Errors in the summary of the featured picture

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Today's POTD

• 10 June - at "is a shock wave that, unlike a normal shock, is inclined" the two links are the same.

Could perhaps pipe a link to "supersonic" ie Supersonic speed? JennyOz (talk) 15:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Duplicate link removed. I'm neutral on the supersonic link. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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